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Author Carole Brody Fleet On Changing The Face Of Widowhood

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Carole Brodoy Fleet

By Stacey Gualandi

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In 2000, Carole Brody Fleet lost her beloved husband Mike after a two-year battle with ALS. In an instant she was on her own, broke, raising an 11-year-old daughter… and a widow at only 40.

“The face of widowhood is not what everybody thinks. It’s women in their teens, 20’s and beyond…” Carole Brody Fleet

But she wasn’t alone. When she realized that widows wear stilettos too, not just black, she set out to help anyone feeling the emotional shock and devastation of widowhood. Her book “Widows Wear Stilettos: A Practical and Emotional Guide for the Young Widow” provides a comforting, informative guide – with just a hint of humor – to those widowed too soon.

Carole Brody Fleet

Carole’s book

Now her book and website inspire 3 -4 thousand letters and emails every month from widows all around the world.

Don’t miss The Women’s Eye Radio Show interview with Carole on Sept. 10 at 10AM PST 1480KPHX.com and the rebroadcast Sept. 11 at 3P PST.

Carole and I share similar experiences, having both lost our fathers to cancer in our early 40’s.

But I also wanted to reach out to her to understand my mother’s loss, and what it means to move forward after losing your spouse, your confidante and your best friend…

EYE: What you and your daughter, Kendall, went through must have been devastating…

Carole, Mike and daughter Kendall

Carole, husband Mike, and daughter Kendall

CAROLE: I watched my beloved die by inches. You wake up everyday knowing they are never going to be as good again as they are today. It’s the way that illness, ALS, works. The year 2001; I was numb.

After Mike died, I had emergency surgery, and then my dad was diagnosed with cancer and died nine weeks later. I lost my dad four months after I lost my husband.

Mike passed away six days before Christmas and right in the middle of Hanukkah. There’s never a good time to have something like that happen to you, but there are better times than others.

Carole Brody Fleet

Carole and Mike by his squad car/1995

EYE: Even though you knew that Mike’s illness could not be cured, you can never truly prepare for death.

CAROLE: There are some dumb things people say: “Well, at least you were prepared.” When someone says that to you, what you are hearing is that you knew it was coming so you don’t have a right to mourn.

There is a lot of distance between concept and reality and death was only a concept. We got that diagnosis and knew what it meant, but you spend all of your energy on survival. You don’t think about the inevitable.

The only thing you can be prepared with is: “Do I know where the papers are?” There is no way you can be emotionally prepared. As soon as I can convince the world of that, the better everyone is going to feel, because what I am doing is giving you your right back to mourn.

“What I do now is a way to honor what Mike asked and to use this experience to the good by helping other people.”

EYE: In your book, you have a great quote from Mike. Is that what inspired you to start “Widows Wear Stilettos?”

CAROLE: He said, “Don’t step in the grave with me. Kendall needs to keep going and growing. This disease has already taken enough from this family.”

What I do now is a way to honor what Mike asked and to use this experience to the good by helping other people. Shortly before he died, it didn’t dawn on me that there was a bigger picture, and it certainly didn’t dawn on me that I could take a passion like writing and put it to that kind of use.

Carole Fleet and stilettos

Photo: Ana Venegas, The Orange County Register

EYE: Could you have done this within the first year of Mike’s passing?

CAROLE: Absolutely not! I’m a firm believer that you can’t lead where you haven’t been. How can I go on and immediately talk about dating if I haven’t done it myself? I didn’t even think about it until 2005.

In the book I tell a funny story about how I was introduced to a man at a party. When I told him I was a widow, he literally took several steps back away from me! I then bluntly said to him, “I’m not contagious.”

I understand that when you look at someone who is younger and widowed, it’s unusual but it’s not uncommon, and we have the audience to prove it. Don’t let the word “young” put you off. We help widows well into their 80’s. It’s a state of mind. I just wanted to address issues that no one else is talking about.

“The next thing that came into my head was ‘I am not a widow. I can’t be! I wear 4-inch stiletto heels.'”

EYE: Are you trying to de-stigmatize widowhood?

CAROLE: I had the exact same image of a widow that everyone else has. The title for my book actually came from my husband’s funeral. There were almost 1000 people there. He was a high-profile narcotics officer. It was very grand and beautiful, and he deserved it all times 10.

At the gravesite, there was a full honor guard. A 21-gun salute. As they prepared the flag to present to “the widow,” it was the first time I thought of the word widow. The word never occurred to me. The next thing that came into my head was “I am not a widow. I can’t be! I wear 4-inch stiletto heels. I wear miniskirts. I listen to heavy-metal music. I drink lemon drop martinis.” Carole Brody Fleet's WWS

Widows are retired. They wear black. They go on cruises. That’s why I am so committed to breaking open this stereotypical image of a widow. The face of widowhood is not what everyone thinks. It’s women in their teens, 20’s, and beyond, women who are trying to raise adolescent kids in the worst economy in 80 years.

That’s what I’m trying to accomplish. We are here too. We don’t just want to talk about grief. I was looking for support and advice, for answers. I’ve done pain. That was the genesis of my book. What I couldn’t find, I decided to create.

“Just because you were married and lost your beloved, you are entitled to live and love again.”

EYE: You state that 40% of the over 10 million single mothers in the U.S. today are widowed, and that the demographic of the younger widow continues to grow dramatically. You’re basically saying that widows are not alone.

CAROLE: Wars have increased the statistics and the number of widows. I understand that my kind of approach to grief with its tongue-in-cheek humor is not for everybody, but it sure seems to be for an awful lot of people out there.

It doesn’t have to be all gloom and doom. You are entitled to live and love again. And let us laugh, let us learn, and let us figure this out together.

Carole Brody Fleet

Camp Widow/2011

EYE: You created the website first and then wrote your book. There are so many issues to deal with. But what is the biggest and most common concern of people living this “new normal”?

CAROLE: Aside from grief, the one overwhelming emotion is guilt. I can give you “guilt” for every method of death there is. The “shoulda, woulda, coulda guilt” as I like to call it. “I could have done…, I should have prevented this, etc.” It took me awhile to realize that I did the very best I could under some very ridiculous circumstances.

I teach taking control over your healing journey. This is your journey. This is not about somebody else’s discomfort. It will send a message that you are doing this thing your way in your own time.

“You can go on…there is love out there when you are ready and when you choose it.”

EYE: Is the main difference between younger and older widows the issue of dating?

CAROLE: No. No matter the age, they first want the permission. Then they want to know how to go about it. The biggest difference between older and younger widows is actually children because the issues are different depending on your age.

I’m over ten years widowed. I remarried in 2009. All of that said, I still miss Mike. I still love him. I still talk to him. I used to cuss at him when I would come home from so many stupid dates. “Thanks Mike, you did this to me!” Ha.

It all comes from within; it’s your own personal healing timeline. I knew I had to get to know this person, me, a 40-year-old widow with a young child, a single parent. I’m not the same person I was when I got married. I had to figure this out before I invited someone into my dynamic.

Carole and husband Dave

Carole and husband Dave

EYE: How do you define “moving forward”? Is getting remarried a way to move forward?

CAROLE: To me, remarrying is coming full-circle again, and then it’s starting a new thing. I never hide the fact that I’m remarried, but I don’t shove it down people’s throats.

If you come to our website and see a photo of me with me my new husband looking happy, how is that going to make the new widow feel? I just don’t harp on it, but if I’m asked about it, I am very forthcoming because I like to think of it as a beacon of hope.

You can go on… there is love out there again when you are ready and when you choose it. I met my husband in 2007, and I was open to the possibilities of love in my life again. Not every man gets what I do. They feel threatened. My job is to talk about my late husband anecdotally.

It takes a special person to not feel threatened by all the attention on Mike. It takes an even bigger person to roll up his sleeves and to go to work along side of you. My husband David is the Executive Vice President of “Widows Wear Stilettos.” I think it projects hope.

Carole Fleet, Dave and Kendall far left

Carole’s wedding to Dave with Kendall (far left)/2009

EYE: There are many myths when it comes to widowhood. What is the one myth you hope to debunk for good?

CAROLE: The one myth that I will scream from the mountaintops until I can’t scream anymore is the word “closure.” It is a myth. It does not exist. I’m tired of the word. It really, really upsets me.

The problem is that a widow hears “You should have closure,” and she’s thinking “I don’t feel closure… something is wrong with me.” And that hurts my heart.

It’s a grief revisit. It’s opening up the wound again. What we have to do is to tell these people we know you are hurting again…let’s talk! I think an open dialogue is the healthiest thing in the world. We have to get rid of that word closure! We move forward from these horrible moments in our lives; we don’t close them.

EYE: My mom said that sometimes she feels sadder now than when my dad passed away….why?

Stacey Gualandi and her mom, Dee

Stacey and Dee, her mom

CAROLE: The first thing we examine is “creative avoidance” – have you been avoiding grief? Then we start to look at the “shock as anesthesia” analogy. People seem to think that there is a statute of limitations on grief. Year two…year three… people surrounding the widow say, “Why aren’t you over it? You should have closure…it’s been x amount of years.”

People don’t realize it can actually be worse with time. Your job is to support the widow’s decisions (in this case, your mom’s) as long as they are healthy, proactive and constructive.

EYE: Your work is far from finished. What is the future of “Widows Wear Stilettos“?

CAROLE: My follow-up book “Happily Even After: A Guide to Getting Through (and Beyond!) the Grief of Widowhood” comes out in 2012.

We have started a non-profit, “The First Month Foundation”, that will raise money for widows in need. We have over 30 in-person WWS support groups nationwide. And we just had Camp Widow 2011, an event we organize every year.

“The future of ‘Widows Wear Stilettos’ is to touch anybody and everybody who has been affected by the pain and challenge of widowhood.”

We don’t care about age, sexual orientation, marital status; if you lost a person whom you committed the rest of your life to then you belong at “Widows Wear Stilettos,” plain and simple.

Carole Brody Fleet

Carole raising awareness on radio

EYE: Do you think Mike is watching you and feeling very proud of what you are doing?

CAROLE: I’m sure he’s saying, “Oh, apparently she hasn’t shut up!” HAHA. I feel humbled. I feel blessed especially when you look at how virtually impossible it is to be unknown and unpublished and get book deals, and be distributed throughout the world.

The odds are overwhelming against it. Somehow this cow got through the herd. And when you get a letter saying, “Thank God I found WWS. I wouldn’t have known what to do without you,” how could you not be affected? You see friendships happening around the country because of the community of WWS.

It’s a thought-creating community. It’s about creating a safe place where no one has to apologize for tears, and you don’t have to explain anything. Everybody gets it!

Carole Fleet's stilettos

Carole’s stilettos! Photo: Orange County Register

EYE: Last question. Just how many pairs of shoes do you own, and do you have a favorite pair?

CAROLE: I have to admit I have over 100 pair of shoes and a pair of 6-inch heels with a 2-inch platform in the front. I call them my stilts…those are my favorite!

EYE: I thank you for all the advice to help with my mom and look forward to your next book next year. Keep up the wonderful work on behalf of widows everywhere and their families.


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